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Post by carpaltunnel on Apr 13, 2013 15:35:09 GMT -6
Hey anyone,
I'm switching to the Pod filters and I've got several hoses from the stock airbox/air suction thing that now have no where to connect. Do I have to cap things now and, if so, what? I'm unclear as to what else is involved besides installing the filters and the possible re-jetting.
Thank you for your advice.
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Post by Blaine on Apr 13, 2013 16:57:07 GMT -6
Hey anyone, I'm switching to the Pod filters and I've got several hoses from the stock airbox/air suction thing that now have no where to connect. Do I have to cap things now and, if so, what? I'm unclear as to what else is involved besides installing the filters and the possible re-jetting. Thank you for your advice. They can all be removed & capped at the engine.The right side carb vacuum can be blocked or "T"ed in to the petcock.To clean things up at the engine there is a set of plates that you can buy for the valve cover. Here is the link: lamponedesigns.com/shopping_cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=2   |
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Post by BenInPA on Apr 13, 2013 17:05:27 GMT -6
Just a note for the link blaine posted. I purchased the kit from this website. I would recommend getting the gaskets with them. They are an additional $6 I think. It came with the instructions on how to install the kit. If you order and don't get instructions, they link to them on the same page you purchase it. It doesn't take too long to remove the stuff.
You know what I find funny blaine? There are guys on ebay trying to sell this junk for $40 or more. Most of remove them, why would someone buy it. Lol well unless you lived where they do emissions test I guess.
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Post by carpaltunnel on Apr 13, 2013 17:31:20 GMT -6
So I'm clear - I can remove the whole air pressure system? What's the difference with/without it? I suppose I didn't understand it's purpose to begin with.
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Post by BenInPA on Apr 13, 2013 17:41:03 GMT -6
It sounds like your talking about the large hose that comes out of the middle of the air box. The thing that hose connects to is the pair system. It is some type of emissions junk that the bike doesn't need. Most of us have removed it. The link Blaine posted is for a set of metal plates to cover the spot it comes off the top of the engine. The thing the hose hooks to has 2 more hoses, 1 going to the valve cover on each side. The kit has the plates to cover this holes.
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Post by Blaine on Apr 13, 2013 17:48:30 GMT -6
You know what I find funny blaine? There are guys on ebay trying to sell this junk for $40 or more. Most of remove them, why would someone buy it. Lol well unless you lived where they do emissions test I guess. Sent from my DROID4 using proboards Yep that it exactally.Remember the Canadian models cam from the factory with it deleted.Even the Canadian air box is solid.(no holes for air hoses.) I believe the Canadian & European models were the same. (emission delete) |
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Post by carpaltunnel on Apr 13, 2013 17:52:01 GMT -6
I understand! It's the three points I need to plug - two at the top of the engine and the other below the carbs. Then just T joint the two carbs together and connect them to the petcock and I'm good! Thanks so much! Now I just have to wait for the kit to be available.  |
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Post by BenInPA on Apr 13, 2013 18:37:14 GMT -6
If you purchase the kit and get the gaskets with it your set. The kit will come with a plug to put in the air box hole from the large hose. It also has a rubber cap for the small tube from the pair thing to the carb. Kit has all the plugs and caps needed!
The piece you remove the hose from on the valve cover has a reed valve under it. You will take the screws out and remove 2 small metal pieces from it. Then you put it back in without the screws.
When you do remove the system I would suggest using some ATV silicone between the block off plate and valve cover. Just to make sure you have it sealed properly.
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Post by Blaine on Apr 13, 2013 18:40:22 GMT -6
Don't orget that when you switch to pods you need to put a filter on the crankcase breather.  |
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Post by zekkfett on Apr 13, 2013 19:00:56 GMT -6
Don't orget that when you switch to pods you need to put a filter on the crankcase breather. Or.... the crankcase breather's gasses, help to lube the slides on the carbs (Another reason I don't like POD filters over the stock airbox). You could run a line, with a tee, and tap into the back of each of your pods.... Chances are you'll never have slide problems, but there is that chance that they could get stuck open or closed, with no lubrication. |
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Post by carpaltunnel on Apr 13, 2013 19:29:31 GMT -6
Don't orget that when you switch to pods you need to put a filter on the crankcase breather. What is the crankcase breather? I left my manual at the shop. |
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Post by Blaine on Apr 13, 2013 19:37:07 GMT -6
Don't orget that when you switch to pods you need to put a filter on the crankcase breather. What is the crankcase breather? I left my manual at the shop. Round chrome disc on back of engine behind starter.Hose from front of air box goes to it. |
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Post by carpaltunnel on Apr 13, 2013 19:50:42 GMT -6
Gotcha. And if I connect that breather to the pod filters with a hose for each, that's a good thing? If not, I shouldn't just close that, I should filter it?
Sorry for all the questions but I've done a lot of work figuring things out on my own as I wanted to, but some things I know I shouldn't mess with without advice. Also, my brain is fried.
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Post by Blaine on Apr 13, 2013 20:11:34 GMT -6
Gotcha. And if I connect that breather to the pod filters with a hose for each, that's a good thing? If not, I shouldn't just close that, I should filter it? Sorry for all the questions but I've done a lot of work figuring things out on my own as I wanted to, but some things I know I shouldn't mess with without advice. Also, my brain is fried. No you can't close it.It must be filtered.You can buy small crankcase filters to match the pods. |
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Post by carpaltunnel on Apr 14, 2013 6:57:23 GMT -6
I had a thought - would it possible to simply remove the reed from the fitment and then weld the hose connection point shut?
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Post by Blaine on Apr 14, 2013 7:14:37 GMT -6
I had a thought - would it possible to simply remove the reed from the fitment and then weld the hose connection point shut? Yep you can just block it ff if you don't want buy the plates. |
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Post by rustbuckett on Apr 20, 2013 6:07:07 GMT -6
If you want to save few bucks in sealing-off the two engine-top hose nipples, maybe try a 1/2-in copper end cap from the plumbing area of a hardware store. I capped those same vacuum hole inlets a year or so ago on an 82 KZ750 I was reviving, and those 1/2" copper pipe caps slipped on like they were made to go there.
I roughed them up and painted them silver/aluminum first, then smeared some good silicone around their insides with my pinky and slid them right on the aluminum vacuum nipples; let them sit overnight and it was a perfect seal, hardly noticeable.
Not 100% sure the 1/2" caps would fit the 454 vacuum nipples but if you have some plumbing supplies lying around might want to give it a try.
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Post by Blaine on Apr 20, 2013 6:47:00 GMT -6
Great tip!!! Thanks. ;D |
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Post by BenInPA on Apr 20, 2013 14:18:25 GMT -6
That's a good tip rust. I have the old hose connections I removed and I think I have some 1/2" fittings at home. I'm gonna try and let ya know if it fits the 454.
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Post by kawa85 on Jun 21, 2014 18:59:54 GMT -6
I am putting my carbs back on after cleaning and adjusting them and I noticed that the crankcase canister does not have a hose on it.
My bike is stock, has the original airbox and original filters. Do I still need to put a hose and filter on the crankcase canister?
I don't believe my crankcase canister ever had any hoses going to/from it. There is just a hole on top of the canister and that's it.
Do I need to plug the hole or run a hose and filter to it? I just want to know how it should be (stock)?
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Post by Blaine on Jun 21, 2014 21:38:29 GMT -6
I am putting my carbs back on after cleaning and adjusting them and I noticed that the crankcase canister does not have a hose on it. My bike is stock, has the original airbox and original filters. Do I still need to put a hose and filter on the crankcase canister? I don't believe my crankcase canister ever had any hoses going to/from it. There is just a hole on top of the canister and that's it. Do I need to plug the hole or run a hose and filter to it? I just want to know how it should be (stock)? There should be a hose running from the breather to the front of the air box. Is the hole in the front of the air blocked off?? |
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Post by kawa85 on Jun 22, 2014 13:15:05 GMT -6
Yes, I removed the thick hose that ran from the airbox to the top of the engine and blocked off the hole
(front of air box) with black electrical tape (for now). I already removed the air valve (and hoses) that was on top of
the engine and capped the two metal tubes. The crankcase canister does not have any hoses attached to it.
So you're saying I need to reuse the airbox hose and run it from the crankcase canister to the airbox?
I hope that's clear.
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Post by Blaine on Jun 22, 2014 20:12:54 GMT -6
Yes, I removed the thick hose that ran from the airbox to the top of the engine and blocked off the hole (front of air box) with black electrical tape (for now). I already removed the air valve (and hoses) that was on top of the engine and capped the two metal tubes. The crankcase canister does not have any hoses attached to it. So you're saying I need to reuse the airbox hose and run it from the crankcase canister to the airbox? I hope that's clear. Yes the proper hose is "S" shaped & vents the engine into the air box. www.ronayersmotorcycles.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=364136&category=Motorcycles&make=KAWASAKI&year=1988&fveh=8470It's hose 92059B |
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Post by kawa85 on Jun 22, 2014 21:07:39 GMT -6
That hose is a discontinued item, no longer available. I think when I bought the bike that hose was missing.
I've been riding without it (crankcase breather hose) for 5 years without any issues. Is it really necessary
to have it?
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Post by Blaine on Jun 23, 2014 5:28:53 GMT -6
That hose is a discontinued item, no longer available. I think when I bought the bike that hose was missing. I've been riding without it (crankcase breather hose) for 5 years without any issues. Is it really necessary to have it? Ninja or Vulcan 500 is the same.You can just put a filter on it to keep dust & dirt out of the crankcase. |
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Post by divot on Mar 7, 2015 18:40:21 GMT -6
So this vacuum system- did all the bikes come with canisters or just bikes sold in areas with strict emission laws? Because I dont think my bike had a canister, though it does has a vacuum system which I am assuming is only for the petcock fuel system. Those of you that remove all the hoses(vacuum)- do you not have the stock petcocks and do not need the vacuum for that reason? Think thats enough questions for now.  |
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Post by Blaine on Mar 7, 2015 20:44:37 GMT -6
So this vacuum system- did all the bikes come with canisters or just bikes sold in areas with strict emission laws? Because I dont think my bike had a canister, though it does has a vacuum system which I am assuming is only for the petcock fuel system. Those of you that remove all the hoses(vacuum)- do you not have the stock petcocks and do not need the vacuum for that reason? Think thats enough questions for now. Most did not have the canister.Canadian models didn't have any emissions systems (Pair).The vacuum for the petcock coems directly from the carb.The vacuum nipple on the right hand carb can be capped off or tee'd in with the left & routed to the petcock. |
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Post by divot on Mar 8, 2015 8:30:00 GMT -6
So what about the air valve? Is that only needed for the emmissions system?
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Post by Blaine on Mar 8, 2015 14:10:59 GMT -6
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Post by divot on Mar 9, 2015 18:05:20 GMT -6
Always appreciate information regardless, though luckily I do not think I need those. I dont think my bike had the canister cuz its not on there now nor are there any plates or anything on my head that looks like what I see in the pictures on that installation pdf for the plate modification.
The vacuum hoses were hooked up between the carbs and tank, though the air valve was removed, I am waiting for one to arrive and once i install it i hope it will stop my carbs from overflowing when the petcock is on/bike not running.
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