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Post by joenson on Dec 13, 2010 10:38:19 GMT -6
Hi.
As you can see on my profile, I am from Europe and I am about to buy my first 454. The bike is a US-model but the present owner does not know if it is a German engine on the bike - the previous owner changed it (the original snapped the cam chain)...
SO - my question is: If it is a German engine (27 HP) how can I "open" it to get full flow and 50 HP..?
;-)
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Post by eaglerider on Dec 13, 2010 15:03:00 GMT -6
The European 454 is 400CC, not 450 CC for the US model. If the engine is an European model, to "open" it up, you would have to obtain a US model top end. I do think the lower half of the engine is the same.
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Post by joenson on Dec 13, 2010 17:04:02 GMT -6
...Not according to my information from a german site: www.en500.de..look at "Bikes" - "EN 450" - "Prospektseite 4" My english is bad but my german is even worse - so that's the reason i'm not communicating with that site. ( I could try in english ..?!?)  |
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Post by Blaine on Dec 13, 2010 18:40:16 GMT -6
Hi. As you can see on my profile, I am from Europe and I am about to buy my first 454. The bike is a US- model but the owner does not know if it is a geman engine on the bike - the previous owner changed it... SO - my question is: If it is a german engine (27 HP) how can I "open" it to get full flow and 50 HP..? ;-) From my research the En400 has 45 hp@9000 r.p.m.Am I missing something??? |
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Post by joenson on Dec 14, 2010 2:06:00 GMT -6
As far as I know, the EN 400 is a EN 500 Vulcan with a 400 cc engine.. Or am I wrong..  ...anywho - I still wonder how to get 50 HP from a german 27 HP engine... |
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Post by mayhem on Dec 14, 2010 3:41:03 GMT -6
Specification of mine EN 450 LTD:
Displacement: 454.00 ccm (27.70 cubic inches)
Engine type: Twin, four-stroke
Power: 50.00 HP (36.5 kW)) @ 9500 RPM
Top speed: 162.0 km/h (100.7 mph)
Compression: 10.7:1
Bore x stroke: 72.5 x 55.0 mm (2.9 x 2.2 inches)
Valves per cylinder: 4
So, I don´t know about those german engine, why does he got only 27 HP...
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Post by joenson on Dec 19, 2010 7:21:45 GMT -6
Hmm... I was sure that someone knew what to do to get the 50 HP from a German 27 HP engine - seems like I was wrong.. Too bad..  Please - somebody - if you know anything about it: share it with me..! |
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Post by eaglerider on Dec 19, 2010 11:26:58 GMT -6
 I think maybe you are confusing the 27 Cubic inches with HP. The engine is rated at 27 + Cubic Inches, and 50 Horsepower.
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Post by mayhem on Dec 20, 2010 0:21:51 GMT -6
That might be it  |
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Post by joenson on Dec 20, 2010 1:48:29 GMT -6
I think maybe you are confusing the 27 Cubic inches with HP. The engine is rated at 27 + Cubic Inches, and 50 Horsepower. Sorry - but no.. i'm not.. I don't know how to insert a picture - so please look at this link: www.en500.de ..look at: "Bikes" - "EN 450" - "Prospektseite 4" (picture no. 4) According to this german site, the displacement is: 450 ccm (27.46 cui) and 20 kW (27 HP) ...so...?!? |
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Post by mayhem on Dec 20, 2010 4:08:57 GMT -6
There´s something wrong with this, because I have 450 LTD from 1990, and it has 50 HP, and maximum speed is 170, not 140 as it is written in tehnical data on that german page
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Post by Blaine on Dec 20, 2010 7:19:17 GMT -6
There´s something wrong with this, because I have 450 LTD from 1990, and it has 50 HP, and maximum speed is 170, not 140 as it is written in tehnical data on that german page There is a mastake on that page.Every other site I have checked states 45 to 50 hp.  |
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Post by joenson on Dec 30, 2010 13:23:30 GMT -6
Well - I don't know.. I've tried to search the german 2nd-hand site www.mobile.deand it seems that there is both a 50 HP model AND a 27 HP model..?!? |
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Post by eaglerider on Dec 30, 2010 17:58:44 GMT -6
No.
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Post by Blaine on Dec 30, 2010 18:27:38 GMT -6
I agree! |
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Post by Gonester on Jan 6, 2011 2:06:39 GMT -6
I know a little German myself, and some of it isn't hard to figure out since English is half German-based. It definitely says: Output: 20kW (27 PS). "Pferdstaerke" is German for Horsepower. The bit at the end in bold says: "If you like, for an additional price, an upgrade kit to 37kW (50HP) is available." It wouldn't surprise me if either a) Germany had emission standards that required the installation of certain pollution- and power-reducing equipment, b) there may have been power options with new riders in mind. Getting any kind of motor vehicle license in Germany is very expensive, professional lessons are mandatory. They also use a graduated licensing program; new riders are restricted to bikes below a certain amount of power or displacement for their first few years of riding. This could be Kawasaki's way of providing more riding options for the beginner motorcyclist. ..but that's just my 2 pfennig. You could potentially try speaking English with them. Most Deutschlanders speak decent English, because of business and tourism. Just tell them that you're trying to clear up some confusion, and that you don't speak German; I'm sure they'll understand and be willing to help you out. After all, you already have an interest in common with them! |
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Post by joenson on Jan 6, 2011 4:34:02 GMT -6
You could potentially try speaking English with them. Most Deutschlanders speak decent English, because of business and tourism. Just tell them that you're trying to clear up some confusion, and that you don't speak German; I'm sure they'll understand and be willing to help you out. After all, you already have an interest in common with them! MUNKSTER: Thanks. I'll try that.!  (So refreshing that someone would finally believe in me instead of just saying "No" when I'm providing facts.  ) Thanks once again.! |
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Post by mrmagna on May 17, 2021 22:23:29 GMT -6
A bit old thread but I got '88 model EN450 from Germany and "Fahrzeugbrief" says "Leistung kW" K20/8500. So it is really 27HP version. And it also feels that way Is there any new information how to liberate missing horses? |
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Post by joenson on Nov 11, 2021 17:23:55 GMT -6
Hi. Somehow I’m glad to hear that there are people somewhere, that actually got the 27 HP model. I never found out how to get more power from the 27 HP model, as the one that I bougt have the 50 HP motor. I hope that you find out how to. |
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I think maybe you are confusing the 27 Cubic inches with HP. The engine is rated at 27 + Cubic Inches, and 50 Horsepower.
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