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Post by anonigma on Apr 10, 2012 18:47:06 GMT -6
Mine only half works. According to the owners manual "This switch prevents the electric start from operating when the clutch is engaged and the transmission is not in neutral." and "when starting the engine make certain that the transmission is in neutral or the clutch is disengaged."
disengaged clutch means with the lever pulled right? and engaged clutch means not pulling the clutch lever. right?
anyways. Mine starts only when the bike is in neutral and im not pulling the clutch lever (clutch engaged) It will not start with the lever pulled (clutch disengaged) in neutral or in gear. Although i think it used to start with the clutch lever pulled and it was in gear.
how does yours work?
and what might be the problem with mine?
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Post by zekkfett on Apr 10, 2012 18:55:45 GMT -6
Never really paid attention to mine. I always start in neutral, no clutch. Just old habit.
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Post by anonigma on Apr 10, 2012 19:39:03 GMT -6
yeah me too. but i think you should be able to start it in gear with the clutch lever pulled. im sure ive done that before. but it wouldnt work today
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Post by eaglerider on Apr 10, 2012 20:47:47 GMT -6
Check the switch....there is a little plastic rod that the clutch lever contacts to activate the switch. This little part often breaks, rendering the switch inoperable. And yes, it is activated when the clutch lever is pulled.
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Post by anonigma on Apr 11, 2012 15:54:42 GMT -6
the switch works. i think... because when it is in neutral and i have the clutch lever pulled, it wont start. it only starts in neutral, no clutch. Wont start any other way. but i swear that ive started it before, in gear, with the clutch lever pulled, like after a stall. and the manual makes it sound like this is possible... im gonna stare at the schematics for a while i guess.
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Post by tshirt on Apr 11, 2012 16:26:25 GMT -6
On my bike the "plunger" in the switch is entirely broken off, which makes it act as if the clutch lever is always pulled. This allows me to start the bike whether it's in neutral or in gear. (Unfortunately, the kickstand switch is also broken on mine, which has enabled me to start the bike in first gear while standing next to it  . Thought I was in neutral - Bad idea; Very embarrassing) Anyway, the point is that you can rig up the switch to ignore the clutch lever. Once you tear open the switch it makes more sense. |
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Post by eaglerider on Apr 11, 2012 18:07:53 GMT -6
tshirt, if the plunger is broken off, the switch does not work, as the plunger engages the switch to allow the bike to start when not in neutral. Now, we will not discuss the bike starting in gear, as I have had a very embarassing episode a few years ago, on a custom 454 showbike called KIT (which stands for Knight in Transit).
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Post by bikerdave on Apr 11, 2012 20:00:58 GMT -6
If you are talking about the green bobber I would check the wireing.
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Post by tshirt on Apr 12, 2012 17:14:29 GMT -6
Eagle- I guess my broken switch is just "good broken" then. Haven't looked at it since I fiddled with it, but somehow it just never prevents the bike from starting up. I'm sure that if it were "bad broken" and never let the bike start I would just wire it up as some sort of bypass to make it act as it does now. Switches are expensive; solder is cheap  . |
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Post by anonigma on Apr 12, 2012 18:39:03 GMT -6
If you are talking about the green bobber I would check the wireing. Yes i am talking about the green bobber... but what if i wasnt??? jk I havent figured it out yet. Probably is the switch or the wiring. but at least my bike does start, so im not too worried about it. |
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Post by bikerdave on Apr 13, 2012 6:32:31 GMT -6
The reason I asked if we were talking about the green bob is The wiring in the rear has been moved or shortened.First Thing I would check... the plug on the end of the perch (is it somehow flipped or broken wire? from there I would check the diodes(red box) the green neutral runs from diodes to neutral switch , safety light,then to the perch.I do think that this is a double pole (I found out a little on the safety switches on ninja 250 riders club web site) now there is a ""green and yellow wire that runs from the perch to the starter relay and into the diodes"" . (check ohms on diodes.Or Eagle could be right and the switch itself could be bad.But before you do all that I would check with Baine And get his opinion. Hope this helps
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Post by eaglerider on Apr 13, 2012 7:13:26 GMT -6
Mine has been broken for several years....I jumped it. I have "trained" myself to always put the bike in neutral when I stop & shut it off. The switch actually (in laymans terms) disconnects the starting system if the bike is in gear, and the clutch lever is not pulled, preventing the bike from starting. By jumping the switch or switch is broken, the bike will start in gear, with clutch engaged, causing all sorts of embarassing things, such as bike leaving without the rider, and damage to the bike when it crashes. Anonigma, I think something in your wireing is messed up.
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Post by Blaine on Apr 13, 2012 13:58:09 GMT -6
Mine is also broke.as Eagle I have trained myself to always put the bike in neutral when stopping.I have always done this,even when I had other bikes.  |
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Post by eaglerider on Apr 13, 2012 15:39:15 GMT -6
 Without going into details (and causing a lot of couriousty (sp)), Ya learn real fast, when this happens to an expensive, well loved, award winning show bike, owned by a very good friend.
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Post by Blaine on Apr 13, 2012 17:45:26 GMT -6
Without going into details (and causing a lot of couriousty (sp)), Ya learn real fast, when this happens to an expensive, well loved, award winning show bike, owned by a very good friend. I hear ya!!  |
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Post by anonigma on Apr 13, 2012 18:21:03 GMT -6
good news. the switch works now just like i thought it should... bad news is Im a dummy... I was messing with the wiring harness on the bars recently and the wires to that switch never got fully plugged into it. Thanks for the help, sorry if i wasted anyone's time.  |
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Post by eaglerider on Apr 13, 2012 21:54:34 GMT -6
;D No problem...glad u found the trouble & got it working right.
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Post by leona65 on Sept 6, 2018 9:39:45 GMT -6
Is it too late to resurrect this thread? I need to eliminate that clutch switch. Can anyone tell me what to do to jump it out?
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Post by Blaine on Sept 7, 2018 4:57:17 GMT -6
Is it too late to resurrect this thread? I need to eliminate that clutch switch. Can anyone tell me what to do to jump it out? Just put a jumper wire between the two wires on the switch.....I keep the kickstand switch for safty. |
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Without going into details (and causing a lot of couriousty (sp)), Ya learn real fast, when this happens to an expensive, well loved, award winning show bike, owned by a very good friend.
