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Post by nitrosportman on Mar 10, 2013 20:13:03 GMT -6
hey guys finally talked my dad into giving me his PRISTINE 454 I've been wanting for 20 years
just want to thank you all for your great help i have a valve adjustment and starter rebuild to do tomorrow PROVIDED usps gets me my parts
she purr like a kitten once i get it started its the getting started that's the problem but hopefully a valve adjustment as you guys claim will get things starting quickly
so far:
tank cut apart wire wheeled out welded back to get all the rust out
carbs rebuilt 8000 and 1 times before realizing i was missing an o-ring on the fuel screw
all the electrical sorted finally still need a starter rebuild kit cmon usps
clutch and engine completely rusted shut now fresh and clean after a rebuild
to do :
valves & starter
if it doesn't start running soon someone can come pick this thing up because im at my wits end with it
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Post by wanchesenative on Mar 11, 2013 19:21:52 GMT -6
Where are you? I am on my way......Seriously, sounds like you've got it licked now. Good luck!
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Post by nitrosportman on Mar 12, 2013 7:30:46 GMT -6
holy heck this is the first time since 1992 I've heard this bike just fire to life i can't believe it let it sit out in the cold last night just to see how easy it would be to start she fired right up with about half choke
thank you guys i wouldve never thought a bike with 5122 original miles would need a valve adjustment that's just crazy
so now just waiting on tires and yes it even has the original tires on it
oh yeah waiting on red-kote for the tank and a brake lever that got bent when i accidently knocked it over
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Post by Blaine on Mar 12, 2013 12:34:13 GMT -6
holy heck this is the first time since 1992 I've heard this bike just fire to life i can't believe it let it sit out in the cold last night just to see how easy it would be to start she fired right up with about half choke ;D ;D |
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Post by zekkfett on Mar 12, 2013 15:57:45 GMT -6
i wouldve never thought a bike with 5122 original miles would need a valve adjustment that's just crazy In all fairness, 95% of motorcycles have valves that you have to adjust. Only a few special models actually do this themselves. The suggested length of time between these adjustments can vary, but inevitably they will need it. Some bikes go their entire lives without ever getting the valves adjusted; and as a consequence, most bikes never see past 20 or 30,000 miles. Just keep in mind, the 454 likes it's valves adjusted about every 5,000 miles; or every other oil change, depends on how often you like to change your oil. It's just one of the quirks of this particular bike. Once you get the procedure down, and learn the couple quirks of adjusting our valves, adjusting them is a breeze. I've got it down to about 45 mins now. I start with draining the oil, and then pull off the tank and get to the valves. Once you've done it enough times, you'll learn exactly which parts need to come off to get to and adjust the valves. (Half the stuff the manuals and forums will tell you to remove, you don't really NEED to remove to do the adjustment.) |
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Post by eaglerider on Mar 12, 2013 21:58:28 GMT -6
 And the oil does not need to be drained to do a valve adjustment. No offence ment, but after all the years I have ranted about valve adjustments on the 454...or the 500 also....It still tickles me when an "unbeliever" finds out that what I say is true, and it comes from several years of experience with this bike.
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Post by nitrosportman on Mar 13, 2013 9:48:50 GMT -6
my next question is after rebuilding The starter it seems better but it will still darn near stop on compression strokes is this how all 454's are or should i find a used or new starter somewhere? i can upload video of you guys want to see
luckily it still starts it just need to have the crap run out of it for a while to clean it up well
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Post by Blaine on Mar 13, 2013 12:46:41 GMT -6
No it should spin freely.Your starter is still dragging (did you change front & back bushings)? or you have a weak battery.   |
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Post by nitrosportman on Mar 13, 2013 23:02:01 GMT -6
yes, front /back bushings main bearing brand new brushes brand new battery cleaned lubed commutator/armature cleaned sanded down even have a new larger battery cable ill take the battery back and get a replacement see if its just not throwing out the amps it needs to this is what i used pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=280461136557 |
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Post by Blaine on Mar 13, 2013 23:10:25 GMT -6
easy way to try is boosting from a non-running vehicle.If it spins over freely on a boost than you know you have a battery issue. |
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Post by nitrosportman on Mar 17, 2013 20:35:30 GMT -6
ok so its starts great runs great but once hot it doesn't want to start until its cooled down itdwant run too hot maybe a hair over the mark on the gauge help im so close i can taste it
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Post by Blaine on Mar 17, 2013 21:06:21 GMT -6
It still sounds like a starter issue to me.When "hot" the heat gauge should be around 1/2 way when the fan kicks in. |
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Post by nitrosportman on Mar 18, 2013 11:22:00 GMT -6
fan is wired to come on with headlights even if i unplug the headlights and fan it still pops and sputters when warm/hot
anyone have a good spare starter or know of a good source/ cheap source for one
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Post by nitrosportman on Mar 18, 2013 11:24:49 GMT -6
and yeah gauge is maybe a hair left of vertical lets say 88° if 90° is vertical
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Post by nitrosportman on Mar 18, 2013 12:07:04 GMT -6
and someone tell me im missing something is there seriously one tiny white wire that runs the whole electrical system?
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Post by nitrosportman on Mar 19, 2013 7:40:44 GMT -6
well she starts hot now, boys with the Vulcans (vn750.com)have the same problem so i took their advice and wired the coils and igniter straight to the battery via a big fat relay and big fat gauge wire it solved my hard hot start problem so woohoo never been a cruiser person always had sportbikes but geez im in love with this thing now i just need to get the tank touched up
ill get pictures soon for all to see
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Post by Blaine on Mar 19, 2013 10:24:35 GMT -6
never been a cruiser person always had sportbikes but geez im in love with this thing Now you got the best of both worlds.A cruiser with a sport bike engine!! ;D |
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Post by nitrosportman on Mar 19, 2013 11:48:43 GMT -6
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Post by Blaine on Mar 19, 2013 13:52:02 GMT -6
Thanks!! Excellent write-up. |
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Post by nitrosportman on Mar 28, 2013 17:30:36 GMT -6
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Post by eaglerider on Mar 29, 2013 6:01:16 GMT -6
better watch out......that lil feller is gonna have his eye on ur 454!! LOL
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Post by Blaine on Mar 29, 2013 6:15:04 GMT -6
better watch out......that lil feller is gonna have his eye on ur 454!! LOL ;D ;D |
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And the oil does not need to be drained to do a valve adjustment. No offence ment, but after all the years I have ranted about valve adjustments on the 454...or the 500 also....It still tickles me when an "unbeliever" finds out that what I say is true, and it comes from several years of experience with this bike.
