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Post by rideforlife08 on Jun 8, 2018 7:39:31 GMT -6
I attempted to put blinkers on my en450 and now the bike won’t start, if I jump the sollinoid it starts right up
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Post by Blaine on Jun 9, 2018 5:55:22 GMT -6
I attempted to put blinkers on my en450 and now the bike won’t start, if I jump the sollinoid it starts right up Check all fuses in case up by horn.
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Post by hemi on Jun 9, 2018 15:27:03 GMT -6
Yeah, it’s hard to imagine working on the blinker circuit could effect the starter circuit. But an accidental short somewhere while working on it could certainly blow a fuse.
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Post by rideforlife08 on Jun 10, 2018 13:08:47 GMT -6
No the fuses are fine
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Post by hemi on Jun 14, 2018 23:01:06 GMT -6
The next step I would take is to use a volt meter to see if voltage is getting to the solenoid when you press the starter button.
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Post by rideforlife08 on Jun 16, 2018 15:54:23 GMT -6
Checked the volts and it’s getting power when I hit the start button but it gets power in the relay not the solenoid
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Post by eaglerider on Jun 17, 2018 6:45:38 GMT -6
Power to the relay, but not out of the relay.....bad relay.
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Post by rideforlife08 on Jun 17, 2018 6:56:39 GMT -6
Power to the relay, but not out of the relay.....bad relay. How can that be? If there is power to the relay doesn’t that mean its okay, also I toke the relay off the back of bike by the rear and put it up front and still nothing
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Post by eaglerider on Jun 17, 2018 7:07:25 GMT -6
You never said you had changed the relay. The relay is basicaly a switch, and if there is power to a switch, but none out of the switch..the power is not going thru the switch. I am no electrician, and I really do not know if the two relays are the same, but if no power out of the relay, then, of course, to power to the starter solonoid (sp). When you jump the solonoid, you basically are connecting the battery positive lead directly to the starter. Are you sure no power out of the relay?
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Post by rideforlife08 on Jun 17, 2018 7:45:48 GMT -6
You never said you had changed the relay. The relay is basicaly a switch, and if there is power to a switch, but none out of the switch..the power is not going thru the switch. I am no electrician, and I really do not know if the two relays are the same, but if no power out of the relay, then, of course, to power to the starter solonoid (sp). When you jump the solonoid, you basically are connecting the battery positive lead directly to the starter. Are you sure no power out of the relay? . How come there is power to the relay but it’s not going to the solinoid
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Post by knoizy on Jun 17, 2018 16:17:23 GMT -6
My understanding of the starter electrics is roughly this
Key>Ignition lockouts>Safety Switches>
Starter circuit relay>Starter Relay
Starter Motor> GO!
Point being I don't see a starter relay *and* a solenoid. Or described in reverse the starter motor gets power from the starter relay which is controlled by the starter relay circuit which is controlled by the starter lockout switch. Safety switches aside there are two relays and no solenoids, there could be a problem here with the words we are using to describe things but if you are getting power to the starter relay and bypass this directly to the starter motor then you should see some action. What happens when you connect the starter motor directly to the battery?
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Post by eaglerider on Jun 18, 2018 3:29:12 GMT -6
There is a starter relay and a starter solonoid...they are mounted side by side, together, on a bike that the wiring harness, etc has not been altered/modified. The actions to start a stock bike.....turn on ignition switch, push starter button, the electricity then goes to the starter relay, then to the starter solonoid, then to starter. When you jump across the two terminals of the solonoid, you are actually eliminating the push button and relay and solonoid, causing the electricity to go straight from the battery to the starter.
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Post by knoizy on Jun 18, 2018 6:04:32 GMT -6
Thanks Eagle you are correct, I was studying the schematic instead of the bike. The manual calls the solenoid a relay pretty much throughout and its only on page 15-26 where the circuit illustration shows a solenoid, still labelled as a relay! Almost the same thing I suppose but still two different components.
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Post by rideforlife08 on Jun 18, 2018 7:26:19 GMT -6
There is a starter relay and a starter solonoid...they are mounted side by side, together, on a bike that the wiring harness, etc has not been altered/modified. The actions to start a stock bike.....turn on ignition switch, push starter button, the electricity then goes to the starter relay, then to the starter solonoid, then to starter. When you jump across the two terminals of the solonoid, you are actually eliminating the push button and relay and solonoid, causing the electricity to go straight from the battery to the starter. So what I should do is try to order a new relay and see what happens?
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Post by eaglerider on Jun 18, 2018 17:09:15 GMT -6
If you still have the one you took off, You should be able to match it up at an auto supply or electronics store. I don't know if there is a way to test them, but maybe you could see if someone can answer that question. Like I said, I am not that good with electrical stuff.
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Post by rideforlife08 on Jul 1, 2018 9:28:41 GMT -6
If you still have the one you took off, You should be able to match it up at an auto supply or electronics store. I don't know if there is a way to test them, but maybe you could see if someone can answer that question. Like I said, I am not that good with electrical stuff. replaced it and still nothing any other suggestions?
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Post by rideforlife08 on Jul 8, 2018 7:09:38 GMT -6
If you still have the one you took off, You should be able to match it up at an auto supply or electronics store. I don't know if there is a way to test them, but maybe you could see if someone can answer that question. Like I said, I am not that good with electrical stuff. I put an external switch on to reveal the bike bike starts right up and that the top wires on the solinoid are grounded
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