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Post by chrisjcz928 on Nov 22, 2016 1:09:21 GMT -6
How's everybody doing?
My bike turns over, but won't start.
I was in a different town about 25 miles away from my home. When I Went to start my bike, it wouldn't start. I tried to start it quite a few times, and I kept getting close, but just wouldn't start.
I checked the spark plugs, and the right boot was barely on. I pushed it completely on.
I went to start my bike again. It started, and I went about 20 feet. It was misfiring like crazy so I hit the cutoff switch. I checked the spark plugs again, and I noticed that you were able to pull the right boot off without any effort at all. It slid on and off so easily.
I put the bike on the center stand, gas started pouring out underneath the bike near the center stand. (Because I flooded the engine?)
I don't exactly have a lot of money, so I couldnt afford to get the bike towed or anything like that at all. I checked for spark, and I was getting spark. Not knowing what else to do, I crimped the right boot to the point where it would stay on the plug.
I had to ride it home, and my bike wouldn't rev over 5k. (Because of the boots?) after I got home, I left the bike in my garage and took the boots off.
After I got my new boots and spark plugs in the mail, I installed them. I also changed the air filters because they were dirty as heck.
But now, my bike is not starting at all. It turns over and it feels like it wants to start, but just can't seem to get there.
What would you guys recommend? I'm planning on doing a valve adjustment with my older brother on Wednesday, because I keep reading about how vital it is. But is there anything else anybody can think of?
It has about 17,000 miles on it and I have a feeling the previous owner did not maintain it.
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Post by Blaine on Nov 22, 2016 6:18:20 GMT -6
I would pull the plugs & inspect them 9Maybe install new ones) because the bike flooded.....If flooding is no longer a issue I would add a half can of SeaFoam to a tank of fuel to help clean the carbs.
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Post by chrisjcz928 on Nov 22, 2016 10:20:07 GMT -6
I tried installing new plugs, but still no luck.. What would you watch out for while inspecting the carbs?
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Post by chrisjcz928 on Nov 22, 2016 10:24:24 GMT -6
Woops, read your post wrong haha. I installed new plugs in it, but still no starting. In the past I've ran about a can of seafoam in it. Would you recommend pulling them off and inspecting them? If so, what would you keep your eye out for?
I'm still going to do the valve adjustment because it looks like that helps a lot of problems.
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Post by chrisjcz928 on Nov 22, 2016 10:26:17 GMT -6
*Pulling the carbs off and inspecting them**
Man, I need to figure out how to edit my posts! Lol
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Post by chrisjcz928 on Nov 22, 2016 12:41:38 GMT -6
I just tried to mess with it again. I gave it a lot of gas, and tried starting it over and over. I got it to about 1k rpms and it died out
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Post by eaglerider on Nov 22, 2016 13:59:07 GMT -6
If you have spark, check and adjust your valves before you do anything else
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Post by Blaine on Nov 22, 2016 17:48:18 GMT -6
If you have spark, check and adjust your valves before you do anything else Agreed.....Adjust the valves......Than if it still won't start (I have a feeling it will) We can deal with it than.
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Post by joe on Nov 23, 2016 19:43:32 GMT -6
In the original post you said gas started pouring out after putting it on the center stand. Where was it coming from? Air box?
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Post by chrisjcz928 on Nov 24, 2016 13:39:51 GMT -6
In the original post you said gas started pouring out after putting it on the center stand. Where was it coming from? Air box? I'm not entirely sure about that, I don't think it was coming from the airnox, but it seems like it was a possibility.
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Post by chrisjcz928 on Nov 24, 2016 13:42:04 GMT -6
If you have spark, check and adjust your valves before you do anything else I spent last night adjusting the valves. They were way too tight!! I tried to start it this morning, but no luck yet. Any suggestions on what I should do next?
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Post by Blaine on Nov 24, 2016 14:21:52 GMT -6
Have you pulled the plugs again & checked that are not soaked & that you have spark?
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Post by joe on Nov 24, 2016 14:41:46 GMT -6
The airbox is above the center stand where your puddle was that's why i asked. Be very careful, during one of my marathon kick start sessions on my xs the air box unknowingly filled with fuel, then a carb backfire, then an airbox engulfed in flame, very scary when you have a raging fire right under a full gas tank. Anyway, smell your oil and check the level. Any gas smell or overfilled crankcase? What do the plugs look like are they getting extremely wet after cranking for a short time? Is the spark a bright blue strong spark, or a weak faint yellowish? Make sure you have enough juice in the battery, use a jump box if you have one available or charge that battery overnight. It doesn't take long to drain a small battery enough to no longer produce a good spark, my xs is notorious for this.
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Post by chrisjcz928 on Nov 24, 2016 15:31:49 GMT -6
I checked for spark again, and I'm getting it.. It started leaking again, so I pulled off the filters and the left carb was leaking gas into the Airbox. I took a video of it, I'll attach a link to it in this post
I misread the directions from GWK last night and I adjusted piston 1, then piston 2 instead of going from 2 to 1. I'm pulling my bike apart again to adjust from 2 to 1 as I type this post
Here is the link:
Thank you for the replies! I've learned a great amount just from reading past posts on here.
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Post by joe on Nov 24, 2016 16:44:41 GMT -6
I'm going to guess your needle on the #1 carb is not fully seating and letting to much fuel get sucked into the cylinder. That could explain the bogging you were getting. I think you're going to have to pull the carbs for a good cleaning. When you do give them a bench sync. I bet the carb 1 butterfly is open further than #2.
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Post by knoizy on Nov 24, 2016 17:02:59 GMT -6
Or stuck float bowl - either way I agree the carbs need to come off for a service. Use a hair dryer to soften the rubber boots and I've never found spray carb cleaner to be really up to the task.
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Post by Blaine on Nov 24, 2016 19:35:27 GMT -6
As long as the nose of the cam is 180away from the valve stem you can adjust that set of valves.....Much easier & less complicated than going by the timing marks.
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Post by chrisjcz928 on Nov 25, 2016 1:05:20 GMT -6
As long as the nose of the cam is 180away from the valve stem you can adjust that set of valves.....Much easier & less complicated than going by the timing marks. I went from piston 2 to piston 1 and I followed what you said, and the bike sounds much better! It sounds like it's trying hard and the pistons are going a little more. Although it's still not starting.. Guess the carbs should be inspected now? Haha
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Post by chrisjcz928 on Nov 25, 2016 1:15:40 GMT -6
I guess by the time I'm done doing this I'll have a full tune up? Haha
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Post by chrisjcz928 on Nov 25, 2016 14:34:53 GMT -6
Or stuck float bowl - either way I agree the carbs need to come off for a service. Use a hair dryer to soften the rubber boots and I've never found spray carb cleaner to be really up to the task. I have the carbs off, and carb 1's float bowl is rattling, and carb 2's isn't. Could this cause a problem?
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Post by Blaine on Nov 25, 2016 15:07:46 GMT -6
Yep.......Have you removed the bowl to inspect?
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Post by chrisjcz928 on Nov 25, 2016 16:29:37 GMT -6
Yep.......Have you removed the bowl to inspect? Yes... I removed the bowl and got to the float. The mechanism doesnt sem like it's operating correctly. Like card 2's float wants to raise whereas carb 1's float doesn't want to. It feels like it's being weighed down. I called the Kawasaki dealer, and they said they could order the floats, but they're $47.50 each!!! Seems like a lot for plastic. lol I did a quick search online but couldn't find anything else that's cheaper. The needles seem good and the buterfly valves seem like they're in adjustment.
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Post by joe on Nov 25, 2016 17:48:30 GMT -6
Is the float full of fuel? Check the pin the float pivots on, make sure there's no gunk on there not allowing it to move freely. While you're in there blow low pressure compressed air into the opening above the carb mouth, this lifts the diaphragm up top which in turn lifts the needle. Make sure that's working properly.
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Post by knoizy on Nov 27, 2016 16:04:04 GMT -6
Cheap floats! Never had to replace floats myself but there's a lot of other options I'd try before going through a dealer as they will most likely have limited choice of suppliers themselves.
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Post by chrisjcz928 on Nov 27, 2016 21:58:23 GMT -6
Is the float full of fuel? Check the pin the float pivots on, make sure there's no gunk on there not allowing it to move freely. While you're in there blow low pressure compressed air into the opening above the carb mouth, this lifts the diaphragm up top which in turn lifts the needle. Make sure that's working properly. The float was full of fuel... I emptied it, sprayed carb cleaner in it, and put it back in. Still no starting after that. I couldn't find much buildup. I pulled my carbs again, filled them with seafoam, let them site for 24 hours, and drained them. The seafoam was relatively clear. I haven't put my carbs back on yet, and I will attach a video with me showing my carbs and my left foot that was rattling. I'd try anything at this point, as this is my daily driver, and I have a 20 mile commute haha.
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Post by chrisjcz928 on Nov 27, 2016 21:59:23 GMT -6
Woops, the float wasn't full of fuel, the bowl was.
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Post by joe on Nov 27, 2016 22:15:15 GMT -6
Sounds like there's something rattling around inside the float? If that's the case it's going to have to be replaced. Whatevers in there could weigh that float down causing fuel to keep pouring in. I know my bike had a dead cylinder when i first got it but it did still run off the other. If you have a good strong spark spray some starter fluid or carb or brake cleaner into the carb just to see if it catches for a second. If it fires you most likely have a fuel problem, if not probably ignition.
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Post by chrisjcz928 on Nov 27, 2016 22:31:25 GMT -6
Sounds like there's something rattling around inside the float? If that's the case it's going to have to be replaced. Whatevers in there could weigh that float down causing fuel to keep pouring in. I know my bike had a dead cylinder when i first got it but it did still run off the other. If you have a good strong spark spray some starter fluid or carb or brake cleaner into the carb just to see if it catches for a second. If it fires you most likely have a fuel problem, if not probably ignition. could that be a contender on why it's not starting?
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Post by joe on Nov 27, 2016 22:34:21 GMT -6
I'd guess yes for that cylinder but why won't the other fire? Try the starter fluid and see if you have any luck
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Post by chrisjcz928 on Nov 28, 2016 1:17:46 GMT -6
I'd guess yes for that cylinder but why won't the other fire? Try the starter fluid and see if you have any luck Well.. I order some new floats. Hopefully that fixes it. Tomorrow night I'm going to put my carbs back on and try some starting fluid.. Now I'm really curious about piston 2. Hopefully it fires up when I take the starting fluid to it.
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